@TheEccentricDuck said in #6:
> I disagree with #4. Even though Russia is committing war crimes in Ukraine, it does not signify that there is no rationale behind the invasion. The reason behind the invasion is clearly to ensure that the West and NATO doesn’t gain a strategic advantage over Russia first by placing military installations in Ukraine. Of course, Putin should have executed his endeavors more diplomatically and this war was certainly not a last resort, but #4s comment about the invasion having “no reason” behind it only demonstrates #4s lack of full comprehension in regard to this political crisis. Nothing is black or white, even in the case of an unjust war which should be condemned.
theres already 60 american nukes in germany and much more conventional rockets. from wiki:
"Under NATO nuclear weapons sharing, the United States has provided nuclear weapons for Belgium, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands, and Turkey to deploy and store."
did NATO expansion make sense for america? not at all. did it make sense for the countries joining the NATO that were repeatedly threatened by russia? maybe, depends on who you ask.
the point is that NATO will be more and more out of the focus of the US as they wanna play sherrif in the chinese sea soon enough. europe failed to influence the US to back down and failed to agree on their own shared agenda on how to move forward on their own decidedly. now ukraine has to pay the price for this short-sightedness, that most often boils down to greed.
lets take a closer look at germany: we condemned the violations against human rights, freedom of speech, the political killings, the support of authoritarian regimes and their involvement in many wars and isolated more and more from Putins ideals and actions, but it was all talk. if anything we consistently increased the economic bonds with russia and became more and more reliant on putins exports (one often used figure of speech is "like a junkie on the needle"). meanwhile our military is in desolate shape coz we trusted in america to defend us, always reluctant to take an active stance. so theres economic dependancy on russia on the one side and military dependancy on the other from the US / NATO. only now, after putins escalation, we begin to realize that we have screwed up in many ways which couldve been avoidable by playing a more active role in the last two decades. while working on resolving the dependancies from both sides we shouldve at least tried to mediate more between russia and america (admittedly a tough task during trump legislation - all the more shocking that we just kinda tried to sit it out and didnt take action even after he took the office).
> I disagree with #4. Even though Russia is committing war crimes in Ukraine, it does not signify that there is no rationale behind the invasion. The reason behind the invasion is clearly to ensure that the West and NATO doesn’t gain a strategic advantage over Russia first by placing military installations in Ukraine. Of course, Putin should have executed his endeavors more diplomatically and this war was certainly not a last resort, but #4s comment about the invasion having “no reason” behind it only demonstrates #4s lack of full comprehension in regard to this political crisis. Nothing is black or white, even in the case of an unjust war which should be condemned.
theres already 60 american nukes in germany and much more conventional rockets. from wiki:
"Under NATO nuclear weapons sharing, the United States has provided nuclear weapons for Belgium, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands, and Turkey to deploy and store."
did NATO expansion make sense for america? not at all. did it make sense for the countries joining the NATO that were repeatedly threatened by russia? maybe, depends on who you ask.
the point is that NATO will be more and more out of the focus of the US as they wanna play sherrif in the chinese sea soon enough. europe failed to influence the US to back down and failed to agree on their own shared agenda on how to move forward on their own decidedly. now ukraine has to pay the price for this short-sightedness, that most often boils down to greed.
lets take a closer look at germany: we condemned the violations against human rights, freedom of speech, the political killings, the support of authoritarian regimes and their involvement in many wars and isolated more and more from Putins ideals and actions, but it was all talk. if anything we consistently increased the economic bonds with russia and became more and more reliant on putins exports (one often used figure of speech is "like a junkie on the needle"). meanwhile our military is in desolate shape coz we trusted in america to defend us, always reluctant to take an active stance. so theres economic dependancy on russia on the one side and military dependancy on the other from the US / NATO. only now, after putins escalation, we begin to realize that we have screwed up in many ways which couldve been avoidable by playing a more active role in the last two decades. while working on resolving the dependancies from both sides we shouldve at least tried to mediate more between russia and america (admittedly a tough task during trump legislation - all the more shocking that we just kinda tried to sit it out and didnt take action even after he took the office).
