I lost a classical game less than 48 hours ago to an account that was banned and closed shortly thereafter. I reported them myself, and I got the "thank you" notification from lichess letting me know a person I reported was banned. However, I am yet to receive a rating refund. What seems to be the problem?
Hmm, from what I can see (and assuming they were "banned" for what you reported them for), there are a couple of reasons you did not receive a refund. Basically the 40 game rule and your provisional status. See here: lichess.org/faq#rating-refund
@MentalFugues While I understand the logic behind that, shouldn't the provisional character of the rating make the refund MORE important? I was basically robbed of nearly 70 rating points by an engine. Refunding it wouldn't gift me anything, it would simply negate the game's rating impact as if it never happened.
I'm not familiar with the policies you brought up, but if this truly is the inteneded experience, then the rules are crooked.
EDIT: Also, yes they were banned for exactly what I reported them for, which is cheating. I know because, as I said, lichess sent me a notification thanking me for reporting a confirmed and banned cheater, and they are the only person I reported.
I'm not familiar with the policies you brought up, but if this truly is the inteneded experience, then the rules are crooked.
EDIT: Also, yes they were banned for exactly what I reported them for, which is cheating. I know because, as I said, lichess sent me a notification thanking me for reporting a confirmed and banned cheater, and they are the only person I reported.
Rating points is not something you earn and accumulate. It is not money. It is a number that converges towards your playing strength. Your rating will adjust quickly automatically by playing more games. And this will happen even faster if your rating is provisional. Also note that if you played games after the one with a cheater, your rating changed differently because of your now lower rating.
Simply refunding in every case is just not a good way to handle the situation, in fact, in most cases the best thing to do is to just do nothing. The rating system really is self-healing.
Simply refunding in every case is just not a good way to handle the situation, in fact, in most cases the best thing to do is to just do nothing. The rating system really is self-healing.
@nadjarostowa If I read you correctly, you're advocating against refunds altogether. It's an interesting and, to me, new take, and perhaps a debate worth having, but it is also outside the scope of my post.
The fact of the matter is that lichess has a refund policy when one's opponent cheats in a rated game. I did not play any additional games after the game with the cheater because I had a hunch they will get banned and I wanted to wait for the stolen rating to be refunded.
The fact of the matter is that lichess has a refund policy when one's opponent cheats in a rated game. I did not play any additional games after the game with the cheater because I had a hunch they will get banned and I wanted to wait for the stolen rating to be refunded.
I wouldn't say you should never refund, but it is a complicated matter, and to get it right is tough. I think if someone has not played a single game after (which is rare), you could safely refund. But even if one game is played afterwards, you cannot blindly refund the whole amount blindly.
Provisional ratings (especially for new players) have very little meaning, and probably come with other challenges as well. Losing those 70 points there looks a lot, but is by no means worse than losing 7 points of an established rating.
And ratings are not a stable thing. Neither here, nor OTB. Except you stop playing.
And I hate losing rating for any reason. :-)
Provisional ratings (especially for new players) have very little meaning, and probably come with other challenges as well. Losing those 70 points there looks a lot, but is by no means worse than losing 7 points of an established rating.
And ratings are not a stable thing. Neither here, nor OTB. Except you stop playing.
And I hate losing rating for any reason. :-)
@nadjarostowa said in #4:
> Simply refunding in every case is just not a good way to handle the situation, in fact, in most cases the best thing to do is to just do nothing. The rating system really is self-healing.
For some reason, these words reminded me of Buffon’s quote about the refereeing of Michael Oliver. It's really a shame. Catching cheaters on Lichess is not as bad as the terrible rules for returning rating points.
> Simply refunding in every case is just not a good way to handle the situation, in fact, in most cases the best thing to do is to just do nothing. The rating system really is self-healing.
For some reason, these words reminded me of Buffon’s quote about the refereeing of Michael Oliver. It's really a shame. Catching cheaters on Lichess is not as bad as the terrible rules for returning rating points.
Give the OP his rating points back.